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Is it a legal target, can I peek at the morph, and if I unmorph it and its CC is >2, what happens?

[[Threads of Disloyalty]]

This happened earlier today, and my opponent just quit in response. Guess what the morphed card was?

Don't check the link until you've answered!

edited Feb 7 at 1:34

asked Feb 7 at 0:32

Shushoto♦
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Silly Freak · Accepted Answer · 2010-02-07 10:42:36Z UTC

after the change to "Enchantment - Aura", the wording is also a little clearer. Threads of Disloyalty now reads like this:

Enchant creature with converted mana cost 2 or less.

I guess Krinn said everything that really matters, but for the record:

702.5a Enchant is a static ability, written "Enchant [object or player]." The enchant ability restricts what an Aura spell can target and what an Aura can enchant.

Meaning that the creature needs to have the mana cost while targeting (which it has as a morph) and without pause (i.e. never when a player would get priority) while it's enchanted.

707.5 At any time, you may look at a face-down spell you control on the stack or a face-down permanent you control (even if it's phased out). You can't look at face-down cards in any other zone or face-down spells or permanents controlled by another player.

When you got control of the morphed card, you can look at it and then decide whether or not to pay its morph cost.

To Avish:

110.6 A permanent's status is its physical state. There are four status categories, each of which has two possible values: tapped/untapped, flipped/unflipped, face up/face down, and phased in/phased out. Each permanent always has one of these values for each of these categories.

Meaning that being phase down is a state, and changing that state doesn't make it automatically a new permanent.

Krinn · Answer 2 · 2010-02-07 01:13:45Z UTC

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Based on 303.4b, I'd say that you lose the creature.

303.4b If an Aura is enchanting an illegal object or player, the object it was attached to no longer exists, or the player it was attached to has left the game, the Aura is put into its owner’s graveyard.

When the creature is morphed, its mana cost is 0: Threads of Disloyalty is fine. When it unmorphs, its printed mana cost is checked, and if Threads finds that it's attached to an illegal object, it goes to the graveyard.

answered Feb 7 at 1:13

Krinn
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I agree with you so far. But for me to pick your answer, I still want to hear your guess at the morphed card and whether I can peek at the morph. – Shushoto♦ Feb 7 at 1:32

I'd like to see the explicit rules that say an unmorphed creature is the same permanent as the morphed one. I thought it isn't and that it'd lose everything in the transition, regardless of legality. – Avish♦ Feb 7 at 7:27

Then again, I never played when Morph was around so I might be talking nonsense. – Avish♦ Feb 7 at 7:27

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It is the same permanent, just like the flip cards from Kamigawa. It retains counters, enchantments, etc... You can always peek at all morph creatures you control. – ripper234♦ Feb 7 at 8:00

Shushoto: I thought your link revealed what the morphed card was? Or do you mean it was the other Hermit? Also, you control the morphed creature, you can peek. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to pay the morph cost and this question would be moot. – Krinn Feb 7 at 20:03

Threads of Disloyalty on a Morphed creature?

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