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Look at the following situation:

Both me and my opponents are on 20 life
I have both Platinum Angel and Abyssal Persecutor in play
We both have zero cards in play, hand and in our libraries (all were removed)

Now:

I can't win, since I control Abyssal Persecutor
I can't lose, since I control Platinum Angel
Nothing can happen to change this state, since no other cards are in any applicable zone (assume neither of us have any cards that work from outside the game).

Is this state automatically a draw? According to what rule?

[[Platinum Angel]] [[Abyssal Persecutor]]

edited Jan 31 at 17:33

asked Jan 21 at 12:48

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	+1 Great question! – CodeSavvyGeek♦ Jan 21 at 21:28
	yes, building a deck that breaks magic itself is fun. – rif-raf♦ May 20 at 8:09

Shushoto · Answer 1 · 2010-03-16 13:57:29Z UTC

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For the short explanation:

If there's a judge then:

A - Judge declares a draw

B - Judge makes each player flip for the win

If there isn't a judge then you just sit there until:

A - Someone concedes

B - Both players agree on judge option A or B

And yes, I think picking up your cards or walking away counts as conceding (at least it should)

With magic online it's simple; whoever runs out of time loses.

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answered Jan 21 at 13:14

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Addendum: the player controlling the creatures doesn't have to attack. If he wishes to, he doesn't have to draw the game immediately. I wonder if a judge could force the players to draw. – ripper234♦ Jan 21 at 14:11

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1. Rule 104.4b is not really relevant, because the game does not enter a loop of mandatory actions. Player 1 always have options in this case. 2. Rule 713.1b is also, in the mathematical sense, not sufficient, because I can choose a sequence of integers: I attack once, then skip a turn, then attack twice, then skip a turn, then three times... It's not a loop of actions that can be identically repeated, and rule 713.1b is optional anyway. – ripper234♦ Jan 22 at 6:34

713.2a is not good enough. "The ending point of this sequence must be a place where a player has priority" - how would this lead to a draw? – ripper234♦ Jan 22 at 16:50

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A judge would never make the players flip. – fryguy Mar 20 at 18:34

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I would have to agree that the game is not automatically a draw. Rule 104.4b is not invoked because there is not a loop of mandatory actions. You would have to either agree that the game is a draw (either mutually or by a judge decision) or, in a tournament environment, continue playing until time expires, which draws the game anyway. I don't see how either player could be considered the winner of such a game, so a coin flip to determine this doesn't make sense to me. – CodeSavvyGeek♦ May 5 at 2:07

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